10. Redefining Wealth for Social Workers with Eva Forde, MSSW

Taylor (00:00)
Hello everyone, welcome back to the Social Work to Wealth podcast. I'm Taylor and I'm here with my co-host Faith and we have the lovely Eva Ford with us today, here to talk to us about social work, money, wealth, all of the exciting things. So thank you so much for joining us, Eva.
Eva Forde, MSSW (00:24)
Thank you for having me, Faith and Taylor.
Faith (00:24)
We're excited.
Yeah!
Taylor (00:28)
This,
this is a long time coming and I feel like, I feel very just privileged to have you here, honestly, because what Faith and I are trying to do is something that you've been doing for a really long time, talking about money to social workers, you know? So you're the OG and...
Faith (00:46)
Mm-hmm.
You're the OG, seriously.
Bring it, Eva, on.
Eva Forde, MSSW (00:54)
Yeah, you know, you know,
what's so cool is Taylor you said that to me I don't remember I think I had reached out to you initially I can't remember but I Got the sense that not that this was true. This was just in my head I got the sense that you were like, yeah, why are you calling me? Like what what is this about? And I just remember saying I was like
Taylor (01:22)
Hey!
Eva Forde, MSSW (01:22)
Now, again, me in my head, the story I was making up in my head, because I think that the answers were just like, uh-huh, yeah, ⁓ okay, whatever I was saying. I think I said like, so, and I was like, do you know who I am? Not to be like, do you know who I am? But just like, I don't wanna be telling you something that you already know. So I just wanna kind of level set. And you were like, yeah, you're like the OG, like you've been doing this.
Taylor (01:46)
⁓ yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (01:52)
I've never been called an OG before. But yeah, I guess so. I guess I have been doing this a while. And not to say that, you know, I remember when I started and it doesn't feel like that long ago, but I can absolutely see the difference in like what's happening in the online space, like you guys being here. Like when I started Rich Social Worker,
Taylor (01:54)
You
Faith (01:55)
Yeah!
Eva Forde, MSSW (02:21)
and said that to social workers. Social workers were offended. Other people were like, that's interesting, but social workers like, rich, why would you do that? Like they were really like not happy. And when I started talking to social workers, I had an assumption in my mind that every social worker wanted to be wealthy and have money. And what I found out is that's not true, or at least it wasn't true back then. ⁓
Taylor (02:32)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (02:49)
back then we're probably talking about yeah like 15 years dang okay all right just had a little reality check yeah yeah yeah yeah
Taylor (02:53)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (02:55)
Yeah.
Taylor (02:57)
You've been doing it for quite a while. Yeah. Yeah.
Faith (03:01)
Yeah.
If you could talk a little bit more about like what what inspired you to start the rich social worker like how did that... yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (03:08)
inspired is yeah that's the word that we
use now desperation was the word that I used at the time because so I was living in Jamaica and my mom is ⁓ of Jamaican descent but she passed when I was 10 years old my her mother my grandmother when we got old when I my brother and I got older well I have three brothers but one that's close to me he and I got older he graduated from high school I'm a year behind him and
Faith (03:13)
Wow. ⁓
Eva Forde, MSSW (03:37)
my grandmother gave us a trip to Jamaica. I didn't grow up knowing Jamaica, but I fell in love with it, fell in love with her, because I really didn't know her so well. And so as an adult, I made it my mission to visit her in Jamaica. And out of her 10 grandchildren, I was the one that kind of kept going. And so she left me the property. And I found myself in Jamaica, ⁓ you know,
I was going to be this international social worker because my masters is in social work with an international perspective. ⁓ And so I was like, okay, I'll start in Jamaica. We've got the house and it's international to me because I don't really know Jamaica that well. I'll stay a year or two, then I'll go work and save the world. And that was 2005 and I did not leave until the pandemic 2020.
So that lasted a lot longer than I thought it was going to. But I didn't realize at the time how much of a, not necessarily culture shock, but just an adjustment I had to make. So I still had US bills, but I went from living in New York making, I don't even know, it's not like I was making a lot in New York. was like one of my first jobs out of grad school.
Taylor (04:38)
Wow.
Faith (04:39)
Wow.
Eva Forde, MSSW (05:07)
So I was maybe making like 40, $50,000 a year. But then I went to Jamaica making $17,000 a year. And I still had my US bills. And I still, and at the time there was no WhatsApp and there was no Facebook. Like there was no, of course the internet existed, but not the free tools and things that we have didn't exist. And so trying to keep in touch with, you know, friends and family in the US was really expensive. And I just.
Faith (05:16)
Hmm.
Taylor (05:16)
Mmm.
Faith (05:25)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (05:37)
It was financially pretty hard. And so to answer your question, Faith, this is kind of a long way around, but I was teaching English, English, teaching social work at a university and I couldn't help my students with, you know, like the equivalent of like a dollar for a taxi fare to get to school. I couldn't help them because, you know, this is a couple of years in, but my lights were getting cut off every three weeks.
Faith (06:04)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (06:07)
and I couldn't put gas in my car and I was like struggling and I couldn't figure out how to get out of it. I did get a loan. So this is what really happened with Rich Social Worker. I was in this like downward spiral. I was like absolutely not. This is not going to be me. I am going to figure out how to get out of this because I was used to not necessarily
Taylor (06:07)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (06:08)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (06:36)
being rich but like having means. And so, because I like always worked. And so a hurricane had come, it took off part of the roof of my house. And because I worked at this university, the bank was giving outright loans. Million dollar loans in Jamaica at the time was 10,000 US. So I got a, you know, free and clear $10,000 loan. Not at the time I didn't understand what that meant.
Taylor (06:39)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (06:39)
Yeah.
Okay.
Eva Forde, MSSW (07:06)
I didn't realize they were going to be taking it out of my paycheck. I didn't realize how they were amortizing the loan, not to my advantage. I didn't realize like how much that was going to impact me. And what I did was I took that 10,000 in cash. I used 3,000 to like get some materials for the roof and start to pay the guy that was going to do it. I promptly deposited $7,000 in
what I thought was an investment, turned out to be a pyramid scheme, lost all that money immediately. Like someone gave me $7,000 and I flushed it down the drain. Like I never used any of it. So then we're at the beginning of this loan that I have to pay back to the tune of, I'm taking home like, if I'm taking home like $300 a month before the loan.
Faith (07:39)
Hmm.
Wow.
Taylor (07:47)
⁓ gosh.
Faith (07:49)
Mmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (08:03)
Now I'm taking home like $95 a month. It was brutal. And I was like, what? Because I went from, okay, I'm trying to get out of this, right? So now I don't have the money to finish fixing this roof, which, and the roof is to part of the house that I rent out for tenants. So I can't get money from a tenant because I can't, because there's no roof. Plus I have this loan.
Faith (08:07)
Wow.
Taylor (08:09)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Faith (08:11)
Mmm.
Okay.
Taylor (08:31)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (08:31)
Mmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (08:33)
plus I'm not making money, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. And I was like, what the hell? But I said, I'm a social worker. I figure stuff out. So how come I can't figure out money? Like, what is wrong? Like, what happened here? So this is a really long answer.
Taylor (08:43)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Faith (08:51)
Mm.
Taylor (08:54)
I mean, we're on a podcast, that's the point.
Faith (08:54)
It's a...
Eva Forde, MSSW (08:57)
my gosh! ⁓ my gosh! When I think about it though, I have so much compassion for that Eva because she didn't know what she was doing. She was doing her best. you know, thank God I say that now because I am really proud of ⁓ where this journey has taken me. But again, faith. It came out of pain and desperation.
Faith (08:57)
Yeah, we get to talk.
Taylor (09:02)
You're fine. We want to hear it. We all want to hear it. We want to hear the details.
Faith (09:07)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (09:27)
and literally
like having no food in the house to the point where I got a knife and I was like, I don't care. Cause I have an acre and a half in Jamaica. We've got all kinds of ⁓ fruit bearing trees. And so ⁓ I took a knife and I was like, I don't care if a rat scurries by, we're gonna eat something. ⁓ Luckily I didn't have to eat a rat. Not that I don't know that I was, I was not that bad. I've always had.
Taylor (09:55)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (09:56)
support. ⁓
But I went out with a knife and I literally was like I don't I don't know what I'm looking for but something. And there was this banana tree with this bunch of bananas on it. Some of them were ripe, some of them were green. And I was like my god how have I not seen this tree with bananas growing but it's perfect like I can pick them and I like boil them.
Taylor (10:08)
you
Eva Forde, MSSW (10:24)
ate them. I also have, I adopted a daughter while I was in Jamaica so we ate these bananas. And then I was like, you know what, this is a good day, this is the lowest I will ever be. Now I need to call for help. And so I called ⁓ some friends of mine, ⁓ older couple that I kind of adopted as my parents and I was like, hey, can we come? And they said sure.
And so we were there for like three months, but that again, lights, my lights had been off already for like a month and a half. They were off, well, maybe longer than that. They had been, they were off for like eight months in total. And I'm still having to go to work smiling like social work is, you know, we're here to help our clients. Yeah, amazing. And you know, that, so that got me on this journey of, you know, reading.
Taylor (10:58)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Amazing.
Faith (11:11)
Right, right, right.
Eva Forde, MSSW (11:18)
I read Rich Dad Poor Dad, that's the first book I picked up. I picked up Thinking Real Rich, I picked up Science of Getting Rich, Bob Proctor's You Were Born Rich, anything with rich in the title. And that's how Rich Social Worker was born. Because I was introduced to this idea that there is such a thing as a wealth mindset, a money mindset. there, you know, we build our money mindsets from our childhood and from our experiences.
Faith (11:27)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (11:46)
And when I deduced that social work was a huge part of how I was approaching money or avoiding money or not, you know, not really paying attention, then it was like, ⁓ I have to tell all the social workers this because they don't know this. I didn't know this. so yeah, that's how Rich Social Worker was born.
Taylor (11:57)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Wow.
Faith (12:10)
Wow. Wow, wow. Thank you for sharing that and being so vulnerable. It sounds like it's coming out of, like you said, desperation and pain and needing to survive. I need to change something now. Not tomorrow, like right now. And jumping on that opportunity or kind of creating it for yourself. Your way out of it, which is really inspiring. Yeah.
Taylor (12:15)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (12:18)
A lot of paint. Yeah.
Taylor (12:32)
Yeah, and you mentioned in the beginning
about how the feedback from Rich Social Worker was just not that accepted. So if you could talk a little bit about that and just the beginning of you kind of sharing it with people and yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (12:50)
Yeah,
yeah, well, I'll say it was rich social worker because I was so identified as a social worker. And what's I'll say this. I, you know, I've got my bachelor's and my master's in social work. I've written a book called How Not to Practice Social Work. I've you know, I've got rich social worker and, you know.
Faith (12:58)
Okay.
Eva Forde, MSSW (13:15)
founded the Social Work Wealth Conference. So everything I've done has social work in the title, but I spend most of my time outside of social work. I spend it with entrepreneurs, with founders, with creatives, people who are building things. And so as I was learning from these creatives and entrepreneurs and I'm learning like marketing and
you know, how to do YouTube and, you know, how to do, do you guys remember Periscope? all these different, oh, you guys probably, yeah, you don't know. It was like, what do you remember? What was that during the pandemic, there was this, the one with rooms, clubhouse, like going through all of these
Taylor (13:52)
That sounds so familiar.
Faith (13:54)
It does,
but I don't know that one, no.
Taylor (14:04)
Yes.
Faith (14:05)
Mmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (14:07)
iterations of these different software things. Like I remember when Canva came.
on the scene. Like I remember when all these things came up because I'm in the space of online business people, right? And so when I would go back to social workers, they had no clue what I was talking about because I wasn't speaking social work. But again, I'm so identified as a social worker and I was so, so wanting social workers to get this because I felt like, again, we do
Taylor (14:29)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (14:29)
Hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (14:43)
We're doing the work and there's Tom, Dick and Harry over here. They don't have degrees and they don't have, they're just using ⁓ their experiences and they're becoming coaches and consultants and they're making all this money, but we've got the expertise. We should get in on this and not just get in on this, but we have all this expertise and we've got the background and...
Taylor (14:45)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (15:03)
you
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (15:12)
there's so much need for what we do in the different ways that we do it. so most social workers, and I ran this like a test. I didn't realize it was a test, but I opened up my calendar. I was like, hey, free coaching calls. And I did surveys and most, let's see, if I did a hundred surveys, I'd say 90 % of them people said,
Taylor (15:17)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (15:43)
When I asked, you want to be wealthy ⁓ or do you want to be rich? I can't remember what terminology I was using then. 90 % would say no or somewhat. And then when I asked the question like, you know, what do you think it would take? Then 95 % would say to get my license. Now, I don't have a license. I, when I worked in New York as a clinician,
Faith (15:54)
Mm.
Hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (16:11)
I failed my test by two questions. And then I moved to Jamaica that doesn't have a licensing structure yet. And so I had no interest in getting my license. Plus, I'm not a, I don't love like clinical practice was not my, I'm a macro social worker, right? So anything clinical, those tests was like nails on a blackboard. ⁓ So when.
Taylor (16:15)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (16:18)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Great.
Eva Forde, MSSW (16:37)
people when social workers are like, yeah, can you help me get my license? I'm like, no, I can't. And I'm not even, I'm not even mad about that. Like, no, I have no interest in helping you get your license. Look at this. Like there's more. And then I realized like, I don't want to have to convince people. You know, I don't want to have to twist anybody's arm. I did, I tried to do that for a long time. But you know, for people that...
Faith (16:42)
No.
Eva Forde, MSSW (17:04)
didn't want to see it, they didn't want to see it, they couldn't see it, they didn't want to see it. And so I had to learn to kind of let that go and just focus on people who, as Seth Godin says, who get the joke, who are in on the joke, people who get what you're trying to do. so yeah, through trial and error. And again, I was broke, had no money, and so I would see these coaches and things that I would want to invest in, but I really, I didn't have it.
I didn't have it. You know, they're charging US prices. I'm in Jamaica trying to get out of debt and trying to keep the lights on to keep the internet on. it just wasn't feasible for me at the time.
Taylor (17:45)
Why do you think that most of the social workers you were talking to said that they didn't want to be wealthy or rich?
Eva Forde, MSSW (17:56)
So
again, context matters because we're talking about 10, 15 years ago and these new social workers, y'all, are on a different frequency for sure. You guys are like, no, show me the money and let's talk about this out in the open. ⁓ That wasn't the case back in the day. And so it's really encouraging, I'll say, to see how relatively quickly, perhaps, the change.
Taylor (18:02)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (18:12)
you
Eva Forde, MSSW (18:26)
has been. ⁓ I forget sometimes though that in social work school there are still, they're still taught in many cases this kind of a poverty mentality and we're taught like you know you'll never make money or you know well you know or good luck ⁓ or there's not there's not an expectation that
Taylor (18:27)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Faith (18:47)
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Eva Forde, MSSW (18:56)
You know what, let me back up and say there is in many cases not even a consideration about money. So it's like the conversation doesn't come up. And so when it's brought up, and this was definitely the case back in my day, when it's brought up, like it's never even been, it had never even been considered. So.
Taylor (19:06)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (19:07)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor (19:23)
Yeah.
Faith (19:23)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (19:24)
But like I said, it's different now. think it's changed quite a lot and I think we're still changing.
Faith (19:31)
Yeah, it sounds like to me what you're
sharing also is like you had to go outside the profession to learn about wealth and building wealth and getting rich like that's not something you could access in the profession and then when you went outside the profession and learned all this information and went back everyone was like what are you talking about like no this isn't something like like and also like it was taboo like we don't talk about this this isn't something we consider or talk about and the only way you can make money as a social worker is you got to get licensed like that's my way to
Taylor (19:50)
Like, eww. Yeah.
Faith (20:04)
who make a livable wage. So I find that really fascinating. What do you feel like a wealth mentality looks like in our field today? What do you feel like would be a better mindset or kind of shifting towards that wealth mentality versus that...
that we're not in it for the money, right? Like we're in it for the work, we're not in it for the money, like changing that narrative, like what does that look like?
Eva Forde, MSSW (20:28)
Mm-hmm. So I have thought about this question so much over the years, especially since, you know, when I started my YouTube channel, I would ask guests that question, because I wanted to know. I was like, what does it mean? What does it mean to you to be a rich social worker? Hmm. As I'm taking notes. Please share. The people want to know. But truly, truly, you know.
Faith (20:44)
Yeah.
Taylor (20:47)
Mmm. ⁓
Faith (20:47)
Mm-hmm. ⁓ Please share. Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (20:58)
What I've learned from my younger professionals and people like you guys is to really own wealth in all its facets. And I might have been saying that back in the day, but I was really focused on the money. But I might've been like, yeah, sure, wealth and health and all these things, it all matters. And education, wow, yeah, we need all of it and we need the money. I mean, I was always, yeah, right. I was always unapologetic about the money.
Taylor (21:17)
and education and knowledge and
Faith (21:20)
Yeah! You're
like, and money.
Eva Forde, MSSW (21:27)
⁓ But my talking points, I would also include those other things. And I'm still unapologetic about the money. And I am ⁓ much more vocal about the yes and of it all. So yes money and ⁓ wealth in terms of time and wealth in terms of being able to, you know.
Give the way you want and your health and and and. Like yes it all matters and the money really matters. Like we have to make this conversation front and center. I will say this though to answer your question. ⁓ Having a wealthy mindset looks different to different people and at different levels. So for example, I used to think, I'll say when I first started, for me it was
you know, I want to get out of debt. I want to have enough money to travel and I'll probably always work, but I don't want to have to work. I want to be able to give gifts to my friends. Like that was wealth. I went to an online training yesterday and the facilitator asked us to close our eyes and visualize that we got an email and this email said proposal accepted and
The contents of the email were, your $7 million proposal is accepted with a million dollars being sent directly to your bank. Thank you so much. We're so excited to work with you. And then she said, now go visualize your bank account. You see that million dollars in. Now this is someone who, that's not a dream for her. That's a reality. And I was like, ⁓ shoot, I forgot. I can dream even bigger than what I'm dreaming right now. You know, my wealthy mindset has evolved over the years.
But I hadn't gotten to that level where it's like, right, there's even more to want or to have, or that's accessible on this wealth journey. And let me make a plug for the spiritual journey that I've been on anywhere. Because I feel like for me, this wealth journey, and I think when you really get into it and tap into it, it's such a personal development journey as well.
Taylor (23:27)
Yeah.
Faith (23:29)
Right.
Eva Forde, MSSW (23:54)
But there's that energy, I don't care what you call it, spiritual, energetic, God sort, I don't know what you call it, but there's something that matters around wealth building or about creating the life that you want and having the impact that you want that is ethereal, that you can't touch, that's just, you know.
Taylor (23:57)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
It's energizing and empowering and yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (24:18)
It's energetic, right. And you've
got to visualize it and you've got to feel it and you've got to believe it. Like all of that kind of stuff, that cosmic stuff, that matters too. And so ⁓ I don't even know what the question was, but my answer is wealth means wealth. Wealth is ⁓ to have this wealthy mindset. You've got to start somewhere. I'll just say that you've got to start somewhere. So wherever you are is great. It's fine.
Taylor (24:30)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (24:36)
Hehehehe
Eva Forde, MSSW (24:48)
and just be willing to dream bigger, think bigger. you know, and it's not, I don't even think it's one answer because again, the journey is, it's expansive and it changes and you're gonna change. ⁓ So it just, I just wanna encourage anyone who's listening. Well, I think anyone who listens to this podcast is admittedly on a wealth journey. Yeah. And so just to, you know,
Faith (25:06)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (25:13)
True. Yeah.
Faith (25:14)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (25:17)
Keep going and keep stretching what it could mean for you.
Taylor (25:20)
I love that. Did you find that the... So I know you were in Jamaica, you know, when kind of Rich Social Workers started and the conversations around money there. It sounds like they were also non-existent. We were just kind of curious about, you know, maybe the differences in money conversations between like in Jamaica and US. Did you feel like they were the same, you know?
Faith (25:21)
Yeah.
you
Eva Forde, MSSW (25:42)
you
Mmm, so Jamaica and for anyone in Jamaica who may be listening if I maybe I taught you or maybe we were colleagues no shade but Jamaica Jamaican society is largely once even still of survival and so You know when you're trying to just again Pay your light bill and and it's been like you've grown up
trying to do, like senior parents to try to do that. Everyone around you is talking about, know, I may not be able to pay my school fee. Like, that is the conversation in many, many cases, right? ⁓ There's a lot of scarcity ⁓ in the social work profession in Jamaica, more than the US. Even though I know in the US and Canada, maybe UK, we talk about, ⁓ you know,
lacking, you know, resources and not having enough this or that but you know when you developing countries It's just harder. It's just harder ⁓ What we saw was that the the government the government now Says that they're willing to invest more and we have seen more More ministries in the in Jamaica putting their money where their mouth is, but it's it's still a little bit of money. So, you know
Taylor (26:52)
Yeah, yeah.
Hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (27:13)
I was just there in March for Social Work Month and I spoke at the International Social Work Conference there and the Minister of Social Security said he wants to hire 300 social workers and it's like, okay, we've got 2,000 that are graduating this year and we've got, you know, every year we've got social workers that are graduating that don't have jobs. So that's nice and that's great. And that's great.
Taylor (27:41)
Yeah, that's a great goal.
Eva Forde, MSSW (27:42)
Okay,
Faith (27:43)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (27:44)
You know, so, okay, and
what else? And so for social workers there, they're eager. They're just like, don't rich social worker, poor social worker, just whatever. Just give us, do you have a job? Do you have a job for me? Can I use my skills? And they're really eager to impact and make a difference because Jamaica is it's a small island, but big enough, but you know,
Faith (27:48)
Right.
Right. Right.
Taylor (28:01)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (28:12)
you don't have to go far to see ⁓ where there's a need for resources at all. And so the people that go into social work really, they know why they're going into social work and the frustrating part is leaving school and not having anything to do. So that's what I would say is a difference. Social workers in Jamaica, they're open. They're open. The challenge is...
Taylor (28:19)
Yeah.
Faith (28:21)
Yeah.
Taylor (28:39)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (28:42)
is different. It's more about opportunity. And so the challenge there is like ⁓ how do we help them create opportunities for themselves? ⁓ And when I started Rich Social Worker and I started with social workers in Jamaica, I often pointed them outside of Jamaica because people outside of Jamaica then, ⁓ you get to tap into different mindsets and different buying ⁓
Taylor (28:45)
Yeah.
Faith (28:45)
Hmm.
Taylor (28:52)
Mmm
Faith (29:03)
Hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (29:11)
practices, whereas it might be harder to find that in Jamaica based on what they might want to do.
Taylor (29:19)
Interesting. And I think like when you're saying, you know, create, helping them kind of create their, the opportunity or, just using their skills to, yeah, find the job that they want or, or create it. And I think that's awesome that you were able to help them kind of think in that way, because Faith and I have talked about, don't.
Faith (29:20)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm. ⁓
Taylor (29:41)
We didn't really talk about entrepreneurship in school and this journey of creating the career that will work for my life, you know?
Eva Forde, MSSW (29:44)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (29:44)
No.
Eva Forde, MSSW (29:47)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (29:54)
Mm-hmm, and that's part of it right when the system doesn't support opportunity you have to create the opportunity otherwise You're just gonna not have a job or be you know in a situation that isn't sustainable for you Sometimes social workers are in poverty themselves right and so it's like what else are you gonna do? know here you have to kind of have that conversation and then change like the trajectory of your of your ⁓
Eva Forde, MSSW (30:11)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.
Faith (30:23)
or what you want to create or hope to create for yourself. that's really cool that you're doing that work. ⁓ What do you feel like, you mentioned you went to this training yesterday, I think you said, and you said, ⁓ I never thought about wealth in that way. What do you think was holding you back from thinking about wealth in that way?
Eva Forde, MSSW (30:31)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Faith (30:49)
You know, like there's different things that hold ourselves back from like seeing wealth in a certain way or opportunity a certain way. Like what do you feel like was keeping you from thinking about it in that way?
Eva Forde, MSSW (31:01)
Well, let me put it in context. not that I haven't thought, well, I'll say this. So I watch a lot of YouTube, as you might imagine, since I have a YouTube channel. And I like to watch the ones where the YouTube shorts, where they stop people on the road in LA or Santa Monica or somewhere. And they're like, hey, how much money do you have in your account? And.
Faith (31:08)
Yeah.
Yeah,
mm-hmm, right.
Eva Forde, MSSW (31:29)
Like I love
the ones that are like, right now, like in my checking account, 1.5 million or, you know, people will say like, oh, 175,000 or, you know, and they have bags, shopping bags, and they got a G wagon or whatever. And so I like to watch those to kind of put myself in their position, like, oh, okay, yeah, I have 1.5 million in my checking account right now too. Okay. Let me see if I can like.
Faith (31:57)
Mmm.
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (31:58)
feel like what that
would feel like. But the example yesterday was I hadn't, ⁓ I hadn't imagined that, right? Like sending a proposal and then someone, you know, getting an email that says this, it's like, ⁓ that's a different way to imagine, right? Money coming to you.
Faith (32:10)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (32:18)
Okay, I'm going to tell you something ⁓ personal that came, that was really cool. So ⁓ on a personal note,
I am in love
neither one of us could have seen this coming and yet we're so excited to be together and so in awe of how it all came together. And that's how I think about wealth. You could win the lottery, you could marry rich, you could land a proposal, you could, you know,
with the Social Work Wealth Conference, who knows? We could land a big contract. I don't know how it can come, right? But to answer your question, what made me not think about wealth that way? There's a million ways to think about wealth that I probably haven't thought about. But I think the point is to be open and willing for anything, right? So with my relationship, I wasn't anti-relationship. I just wasn't paying attention. I was just like,
Taylor (33:00)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (33:21)
It's going to come. You know, I have a lot of love in my life in other ways and you know, it'll come when it comes. It could come when I'm, you know, 60, 70. I don't know. And if not, that's OK. I've had I've had I've had a lot of love, you know, whatever. ⁓ So I've been there, done that. So it's all good, you know. And he was the same way. Well, he he kind of he said he was over it. ⁓ But yeah, so wealth, I think just
Taylor (33:21)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
You
Faith (33:37)
Yeah
Taylor (33:41)
Yeah.
Faith (33:42)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (33:51)
I just want people to...this is what I want for social workers. I truly just want social workers to be open to the idea of having more money in their lives and what they could possibly do with that because like I said so many of us from school are taught this is not important. We're not here for the money. It's not about the money. It's about the impact. And I'm like don't say that. Don't do that. Like yeah.
Taylor (34:00)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (34:20)
I
want you to want to be so rich and have so much money that you can write a check to fund the whole university if you want to. you can, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Taylor (34:33)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, the things that we the things that social workers could do with the money with that sort of money the impact
Faith (34:36)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (34:42)
it would be like I just got chills from saying that because We are just so generous. We're right now. We're so generous with with our time ⁓ And that's huge like you were saying wealth of time, but also
Faith (34:47)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (34:48)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Faith (34:51)
time.
Taylor (34:57)
Money, it makes the world go round. Like this is just, we all need money to survive and for these programs to be what they are. We can have such an impact.
Eva Forde, MSSW (35:00)
Yeah. Yeah.
Faith (35:07)
Yeah,
Eva Forde, MSSW (35:09)
Exactly.
Faith (35:09)
and I think that...
you know, in asking like what keeps you from thinking about wealth in that way is like we've been taught to not think about wealth that way or we've been so focused on survival and paying off our student loans and I have to go to my job and meet with all these different clients so I don't have the opportunity even to dream about wealth being bigger and kind of these opportunities and I think, you know, it's like it prevents us from dreaming of what
Taylor (35:18)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Right.
Faith (35:40)
the social work profession could even look like because we have the opportunity to dream because we're so focused on meeting our basic needs. And so I think that that is like a barrier for us to even be able to think about wealth in that way. And so it's cool to hear you kind of pushing back against that and kind of working towards like, need to be talking about money. We need to be talking about how to increase the profession in terms of, and not just the licensing track, right?
Taylor (35:42)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Faith (36:10)
more than just that. Like we can do that in other ways too in our profession. Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (36:14)
Yeah. And I think you
guys talking about that also made me think about it's exposure to that sort of mindset, right? Like when Eva, when you were talking about, like watching those YouTube videos and hearing, you know, I've never met anyone that has said, yeah, I just have $1.5 million sitting in my bank account or I have a hundred thousand dollars sitting in my bank account, you know?
Faith (36:22)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Taylor (36:36)
thinking about, okay, we know that that's, we know that that is possible, but actually seeing someone say, yes, this is, this is my current experience, you know, and you saying, let me just sit with that. Let me just think about how would that feel because for me, yeah, and that would absolutely, that I would feel differently, you know, because, because money impacts us and money is emotional and.
Eva Forde, MSSW (36:49)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (36:52)
For me, yeah.
Yeah.
Taylor (37:05)
We as social workers, that's why this conversation is so important too, of social workers seeing other social workers talking about money and sharing, you know, their wealth building journeys because we relate to each other. We relate to each other because we're social workers, you know,
Eva Forde, MSSW (37:21)
them.
Taylor (37:22)
I think we're getting there, we still have a lot, we still have a while to go, you know what I mean? But I think this is a good segue in talking about the Social Work Wealth Conference and kind of just the development of that. And yeah, so if you could talk a little bit about that. Okay.
Faith (37:27)
on. Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (37:30)
Yeah.
Faith (37:37)
Yes.
Eva Forde, MSSW (37:44)
I can, but I want to backtrack just a little because
I found my true passion and love is not even so much for the social work profession as the social worker. I care about the social worker.
Taylor (37:59)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (38:00)
Mm.
Taylor (38:02)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (38:03)
because when the social worker is taken care of, the profession will be taken care of. I have no hangups. I have no doubt that when we are resourced and when we feel ⁓ full, that we contribute. That's what we do. But yeah, I really care about the social worker if they hate doing laundry.
Taylor (38:09)
Yep, our communities will be taken care of, yeah.
Faith (38:10)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (38:23)
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Faith (38:26)
Yes.
Eva Forde, MSSW (38:32)
being able to afford getting your laundry done without feeling like you'd have to pinch pennies to do it or without even any judgment that somebody else does your laundry. If you don't feel like washing dishes, don't. If you don't feel like cooking, if you don't ever wanna cook, if you don't ever wanna do anything besides serve, I want you as a social worker to be able to afford that.
Taylor (38:41)
Yeah. Yeah.
Faith (38:41)
Yes, yes.
Taylor (38:49)
you
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (39:01)
and do not care because you're employing people or you're so filled up that you get to live in your gifts and you're doing what you're here for. That's really what I care about. So, ⁓ yeah, so rich social worker is really kind of, again, all of this was out of selfish desperation.
Faith (39:01)
Yes.
That's great.
even know if it's selfish though I feel like it's it's it was yeah what do you mean yeah
Eva Forde, MSSW (39:28)
When I say selfish, mean, I mean, yeah,
I was the one that was hurting and feeling it and needing a solution. ⁓ Yeah, I mean, no doubt that there's an impact. get it. But the conference was just an outgrowth of, it was just the next step. you know, over the years, like you said, Taylor being an OG has its advantages.
Faith (39:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (39:56)
And so I had already built a relationship with the founder of financial social work, Reeta Wolfsohn. I built relationships with other social workers who were talking about money or who were resourced themselves. ⁓ Tiffany Tate, that's my millionaire social worker friend. She's not my only millionaire social worker friend. We have millionaire social workers. And I call Tiffany, I call Reeta, and I was like, hey.
What do you think about this conference idea? And I was really looking for a bigger way to serve because I've been doing one-on-one coaching with social workers for so long and I've been saying the same thing over and over and over and I was like, I don't know that I want to keep saying this. Like how can I say this on a bigger scale and not just say this thing about leveraging your skills, but I'm also, you know, I'm reading investment books and I'm
you know, hanging out with FinTech founders. I like, there's conversations about wealth and impact happening all around. And I was in New York City at the time. And so it's like, social workers also need to hear this, right? Yeah, it's not just about leveraging your skills, but we also need to hear this. And so when that idea came and I really feel like, just like rich social worker, I don't feel like I made it up myself. I feel like that was kind of like a gift.
Taylor (41:11)
Absolutely.
Faith (41:12)
Yes.
Yes.
Taylor (41:16)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (41:24)
In fact, when I looked up rich social worker online, was like, surely someone owns this domain name. And when no one had it, I was like, my God! What? No one's thought of this? I was like, I get to have rich social worker? That's amazing. Same thing with the Social Work Wealth Conference. was like, surely someone would have reserved this at some point. And when it wasn't there, I was like, what? How do we just have this real estate out here?
Social work is about to be, you know, like wealthy for real. Like we about to do this for real. ⁓ And so, yeah, I called up my people and was like, hey, what do you think about this? Reeta has a really great, yeah, she's the real OG for real, for real, for real. And, you know, she may not know people, but people know her. And so, you know, when I ran the idea by her, she said, you know, we've been thinking about doing something like this for years.
Faith (42:00)
Hehehehe
Taylor (42:14)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (42:21)
whatever you do, I'm behind you, I'll support you, just tell me where to show up. Talk to Tiffany, talk to a couple other people. And so the people that said, let me know how I can help or I wanna be involved, that's who became our core team. And that's where we started. ⁓ And it was, yeah, again, not having the money myself to do a conference and also being naive about what it would take to put on a conference. ⁓ But you know.
Sometimes, sometimes naivete is like the best, the best thing ever. ⁓
Faith (42:50)
Hehehehehe
Taylor (42:54)
Right, right.
Faith (42:56)
Because
then you go for it. You go for it a little bit, right? Yeah.
Taylor (42:59)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (42:59)
Yeah,
you've got to go for it. Yeah, you go for it and... Ignore his bl-
Faith (43:02)
You got to. That's what I'm
Taylor (43:02)
The ignorance is bliss, huh?
Faith (43:05)
saying. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, exactly, Taylor. It's like...
Taylor (43:05)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (43:06)
I'm
really proud of what we've done so far. I do not recommend it ⁓ to the uninitiated. But also, to your point, Taylor, yes, I had done conferences in Jamaica as the president of the Social Work Association there. And I've done other things in my life.
wasn't entirely new, but a lot of it was because the first year we did it entirely online and I hadn't done that before. And then we had to get ticket sales and that was scary. And then cause it's like ticket sales and marketing and platform and audience and blah, blah, blah. And then last year I was hell bent on doing hybrid. And I would say, I don't know why somebody didn't tell me, but people told me and I was like, it'll be fine. And it ultimately was fine, but it was a lot also. So, ⁓
Taylor (43:35)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (43:58)
But again, I think the value to social workers is like, if you are a social worker, what I noticed is that we don't often venture outside to find information, but when we do, we don't know where to look. Like we don't know where to start to look. ⁓ Most people that find me online find me because they're not looking for Eva. They're looking how to make money as a social worker, how to be a rich social worker. And then my videos pop up. ⁓
Taylor (44:24)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Faith (44:24)
Yes, yes.
Great.
Eva Forde, MSSW (44:28)
So social workers look for guidance from other social workers. And so I'm really proud to have been able to help usher in, you know, what I expect is going to be a real transformation in our profession. You guys are involved in it. So, you know, we're we are colleagues on this journey. But we're literally changing the profession, guys. You know, no shade to social work for where it is now.
Taylor (44:32)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Eee! That's
exciting.
Eva Forde, MSSW (44:58)
Yeah, it's exciting. Like we're blazing
Faith (44:59)
It is
exciting.
Eva Forde, MSSW (45:00)
trends. we're in the history books that are to be written. You know what I mean? Like, no, like these were some of the first pioneers that talked about things publicly and here are the archives and here are their photos and right? Like this is where we are in time. And yeah, but the thing is, again, no shade to social work because, you know, a lot of social workers would say,
Taylor (45:05)
⁓
That's so cool.
Faith (45:16)
Hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (45:24)
you know, yeah, we need to be paid and social work doesn't teach us this and that and you know, social work has been doing us a disservice. And I want to say, you know, social work has been doing its best because it wasn't really started. It was started by people that already had money, so they didn't have to have these conversations. ⁓ We have as practitioners, we've got to take some ownership on our learning and we've got to
Faith (45:43)
Mm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (45:54)
change the profession. Like if we don't like it, we've got the skills to change it. Isn't that great? The thing that social work has given us. So yeah, there's a lot that social work could be doing better, but you know, we are social work.
Taylor (45:59)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Faith (46:04)
Yeah.
Taylor (46:08)
Yeah.
Faith (46:08)
I
loved how you early on, you you talked about like how you're working with individuals and then you like scaled up and you went to that macro space of like, okay, more people need to hear this. And that's like true to your passion and what you really love to do is like more macro and like that this conference came out of that. That's really cool. And it is, that is a really great way to like build momentum and a movement, which it sounds like you're also really passionate about, which is, I just see that like theme. And I think that's really cool that you
Eva Forde, MSSW (46:23)
It's true.
Faith (46:38)
⁓ like went from that individual space to like, wait, I'm gonna go macro with this, which is your social work skills, which is really cool to see that at play and hear that, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Taylor (46:46)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (46:46)
social work. Yeah, thanks for that Faith. Yes, it is,
it is, I haven't, I'll say it like this.
I'm not the... Are you guys familiar with Myers Briggs personality tests? So I am an ENFP and we are kind of all over the place. And so I haven't necessarily had a plan for how I do what I do. But it's been fun. It's been a fun ride. Scary at times ⁓ and, you know, lots of learning. But yeah, I am doing.
Taylor (47:05)
Yeah, yeah.
Faith (47:05)
Yeah.
Sure.
Eva Forde, MSSW (47:28)
what I enjoy. And so yeah, thanks for acknowledging that. Yeah, that matters.
Taylor (47:32)
Mm-hmm.
Faith (47:33)
Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (47:34)
And then what last plug we should talk about the community and what we're building and yeah.
Faith (47:38)
yeah, yeah!
Eva Forde, MSSW (47:41)
Faith, do you know about this?
Faith (47:43)
don't. So Taylor and Eva, tell us what is this community that you guys have been chatting about and wanting to build? Yeah, because I you've been working together on it a little bit.
Taylor (47:46)
Hehehehehe
Eva Forde, MSSW (47:51)
Well, first, big shout out to Taylor
because when I saw you with social work to wealth, I thought, that's smart. And then when I saw you talking so candidly about your journey, I was like, ⁓ she's brave. She is putting it all out there. I am not that brave. Not yet. And so...
⁓ when we did the conference two years ago, we immediately got feedback from people that said, you know, more please. ⁓ And we looked into like starting a community, but then, you know, the year goes really fast when you're trying to get sponsorships and, you know, put together a hybrid event. And so we weren't able to focus on building the community. And so this year it was like, okay, we have to at least
you know, put a waiting list out there. We've got to do something to start to build the momentum for a community. we've got a team member, Amy, who's amazing. Shout out Amy. And Amy said that she had talked to Taylor and Taylor would want to come on to help build a community. And of course, I'm already a fan. And so I'm like, ⁓ my God, that would be so amazing. So.
Taylor (49:15)
You
Eva Forde, MSSW (49:17)
⁓ Although Taylor is our newest member and we are having a great time like meeting and kind of figuring things out around moving schedules and and you know life happening but ⁓ we are really excited to be ⁓ launching soon a closed community for now because we're really focused on building the culture and making sure the culture is right but
Really excited to have Taylor on board. Taylor, anything you'd like to say?
Taylor (49:48)
Yeah.
Faith (49:50)
Hehehehe
Taylor (49:51)
I think what's exciting is, you know, I mean, we've talked a lot about this whole time of these are some of the first conversations and, know, we're trailblazing this conversation about money and social work and wealth building and, and entrepreneurship and things like that. And this is going to be the first social work community where we're intentionally getting together to.
share money resources, learn from each other, and it be a space where it's okay for us to talk about all those things, you know? And there's no place for shame or judgment for someone who's saying like, yeah, I do want a million dollars in my bank account because that's how this is gonna impact my life. This is how it's gonna impact my community, ⁓
Faith (50:35)
Yeah.
Taylor (50:41)
but just us being okay with talking about that and there not being any judgment that, oh, you're a social worker and you're talking about money. must not be, you must not care about your clients. Like, you know, we know those, those little comments and it's just, there's no place for that here. And it's, yeah, it's just going to be, it's,
Faith (50:56)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (51:02)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor (51:06)
It's going to be great. I'm so excited. So thanks for letting me join. So yeah, right now we're just, we're getting some founding members together so that we can start, you know, building, like Eva said, building the culture and, and just creating the community to what the members want, you know, like we really want a lot of feedback and, and help.
Eva Forde, MSSW (51:07)
Yeah. I know, me too. ⁓ please. I'm so happy to have you.
Taylor (51:34)
and making it, yeah, making it great. kind of once we, I feel like have that foundation, then we'll be opening it up to others to join and it's gonna be really awesome to be continued.
Faith (51:50)
to be continued. Sounds like there's more to like,
Eva Forde, MSSW (51:53)
Yeah.
Faith (51:53)
once you guys have time to build that culture and get that framework, then more people will hear about it, which it's so needed. It's so needed for, yeah. Hmm. That's awesome. So cool. Yay!
Taylor (51:57)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (52:00)
Yeah. It's a community I wish I had when I started, for sure.
Taylor (52:00)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Awesome. Well, we will end with our
money moment. Eva, do you have a money moment to share with us?
Eva Forde, MSSW (52:17)
Yeah,
you asked about this, right? ⁓ And you even gave such a good example. ⁓ Okay, here's my question. And the objective of the money moment is...
Taylor (52:32)
The objective of the money moment is to share vulnerably about, you know, money things. know we've been talking, I mean, you did that already. So I do want to acknowledge that. And, you know, we're not always talking about money on the podcast, you know, in the episodes. And so we, you know, just kind of want to end with reminding people that that is a large part of.
Eva Forde, MSSW (52:42)
Yes.
Faith (52:45)
Yeah.
Taylor (52:59)
why we're doing this podcast is to normalize these money conversations and social work, you know? And so, yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (53:05)
Alright, so I have a really vulnerable
moment. It's less about money, but it is about... ⁓
wealth versus a lack mentality. And I will, I have a lot of compassion for people on this journey because I'm still on the journey and we, my partner and I came home the other day and I may or may not have left some, on the counter that was, oh, some watermelon that was going bad.
And we had agonized over which watermelon to pick, this one, that one. And then it sat in the freezer, the refrigerator, and we never ate it. And so I had taken it out of the refrigerator and I put it on the counter so it could get, because I don't like ice cold ⁓ fruit. And then when we came back, I came in the house first and it was on the counter and I was like, I'm going to have to eat this. And my partner came in and he said, what are you doing?
Taylor (53:51)
You
Eva Forde, MSSW (54:15)
He said, nothing. And he didn't say anything to me. He just looked at me. He took the watermelon and he threw it down the drain. He said, we're not doing that. He we're not doing that. He said, you're not in Jamaica. We can get more watermelon. And I was like.
Taylor (54:29)
you
Eva Forde, MSSW (54:32)
It's so insidious, this, like...
Faith (54:33)
you
Taylor (54:35)
Mmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (54:39)
scarcity. Now if my brothers and my father heard this they'd be like girl what are you doing? You weren't raised like that? Like what? But but I was in that space for so long and
Faith (54:40)
The Scarcity.
Taylor (54:49)
What are you talking about?
Mm-hmm.
Faith (54:56)
Totally.
Yep.
Eva Forde, MSSW (55:01)
I just don't even notice sometimes when I'm still there or back there. So I just wanna encourage anyone who is on this journey, just be patient with yourself, but push yourself and surround yourself with these conversations, with people who are also on the journey. There are levels to this. There's levels to this.
Taylor (55:04)
Yeah. Yeah.
Faith (55:28)
Right, right, yeah.
Taylor (55:29)
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (55:30)
Again, that was such an insightful moment for me. I'm building a multi-million dollar business and so there's no room for that kind of scarcity. ⁓ And so I want to just encourage anybody that's here to say what you're doing, say what you want, and focus on that.
Taylor (55:36)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Eva Forde, MSSW (55:57)
more than you would have focused on where you're coming from. Even if where you're coming from isn't so scarce like where I was coming from, just visualize what you want, believe that and go towards that. Surround yourself with things and the people. So, how was that? I almost choked myself up because that was a hard lesson. It was hard to see myself there.
Taylor (56:00)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Faith (56:04)
Yeah.
Taylor (56:09)
Go after it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
Faith (56:14)
Thank you. That was good. Yeah, that was, yeah, thank you. Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor (56:20)
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (56:25)
My sweetheart
Taylor (56:25)
I'm like.
Eva Forde, MSSW (56:25)
is so good, he's so good, so.
Taylor (56:27)
Aww, I'm glad you have that support. And I think that's, like you were saying, giving ourselves, you know, be patient with ourselves and grace and because it's not something, these aren't messages that we unlearn overnight, you know? Like it's a lifetime journey of just the wealth journey. It's forever, you know what I mean? It's not, is there an end to it ever? I don't know. I think that's.
Eva Forde, MSSW (56:30)
Thank you, me too.
Faith (56:31)
Yeah.
I don't know.
Eva Forde, MSSW (56:54)
No. ⁓
Taylor (56:55)
I don't, maybe no one can, no one can really say, but ⁓ thank you so much, Eva.
Faith (57:00)
Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (57:01)
Maybe when you start to
think, maybe when you start to plan or to raise money to put a rocket on the moon, maybe you've arrived. Who knows?
Faith (57:11)
You've arrived!
Taylor (57:13)
Okay, that's fair. Yeah, and just sending up random people just because. Mmm, interesting. Did that happen recently? Huh. ⁓
Faith (57:14)
All right, Touche. Yep. Yeah.
Eva Forde, MSSW (57:18)
random people perhaps, maybe then.
No, no names come to mind.
Taylor (57:27)
No, he's not.
⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Exactly. my gosh. That was amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much, Eva. Thanks for everyone for listening and we will be back in two weeks.
Eva Forde, MSSW (57:31)
I wish I had my teacup here. And be like, well... Exactly, Faith! There you go, there you go!
Faith (57:32)
Ugh.
Yeah.
This has been great. Yeah, this has been so great. Yeah.