6. Using AI in Social Work with Dr. Marina Badillo-Diaz, LCSW

Taylor (00:00)
Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Social Work to Wealth podcast. I'm Taylor and I'm here with my co-host Faith and we have a wonderful guest today, Marina. You know, I don't want to like mess up your bio or anything. So let's just get into it. Tell us who you are, what you do, all that exciting stuff. Thank you. Thank you, Taylor. And thank you, Faith, for having me on the show today.
So yeah, so I'm Dr. Marina Badillo-Diaz . I am an AI and social work enthusiast, but my background has been in school social work from New York City. I've worked in K through 12 public schools as a school administrator, also doing a fellowship with the US Department of Education. I serve on the board of the School Social Work Association of America. And I would say in the past, you know, three years I've been focusing on a consulting
business that I have of doing trainings for school social workers and social workers across the country. And in the past year and a half, I've been really diving into the world of AI and how that's impacting our social work practice. That's so good to hear, right? What? That's impressive. I know. I was just like, wow, you are, I mean, we already knew you're.
badass, but just just hearing it out. That is very impressive. I'm like, okay, but it's really interesting, the AI piece. And so we'd love to start there just talking to you about more AI kind of what got you passionate about AI. So what inspired you to start exploring kind of the intersection between AI and social work? Yeah, no, that's that's a really great question. So
The reason why I even got into AI is because as you heard, wear many different hats as a consultant trainer. I forgot to throw in there. do teaching. I adjunct at a couple of universities to teaching classes. doesn't she do? What doesn't she do? But you know, a lot of us social workers wear many different hats, right? We have our main job, our side hustle. And you know, I didn't go to school to be a marketing expert. So, you know, I'm trying to build my content on my Instagram account.
And about a year and a half ago, I kept seeing these reels like put this prompt into chat to PT and you'll get all this free content. And I was like, well, why don't I try this, right? Like I, you know, I'm not that so great at marketing. Maybe this could really help me save time, maybe help me get some good ideas. And it just really blew me away. They're just the simplicity of, you know, copying that prompt, putting it to chat to PT, getting all this information. And I was like, you know what, let me just.
dabble with this for my classes. Let's even get some scenarios or discussion questions that I could really, you know, really boost my lectures and activities. And it really just started growing from there, you know, from, again, from my content, from my Instagram account to really building into social work practice, to really diving in a lot more deeply, following, you know, different LinkedIn accounts, reading up on this, following other social workers who've been in the AI, you know, in social work field for some time, and really trying to bridge this sort of
you know, practice using generative AI intelligence, because that's the sort of sort of buzz now with AI. And I think it has huge implications for our field in many different ways. Wow. I'm curious, as Taylor and I are both social workers, obviously, and I work in private practice. And so I've heard a lot of mixed things about AI. there's a lot of, it's kind of like you're either for it or you're
you seem to be a little skeptical or worried about it. how do you kind of like, what ethical issues do you see using AI in social worker and social work, but also how can social workers navigate some of those ethical issues and in using AI in their practice? Yeah, no. And I think this is such an important conversation to be had because same thing too. I've been talking to a lot of social workers, doing a lot of trainings.
I've done some national conferences, the NASWs, some other chapters here and there. And it is quite across the board. There's people who are really excited about this technology. There are some of us that are really concerned about this technology and that's completely valid and that's important. think, one thing about our social work profession that I hold very dearly is that we do have a record of ethics. We really think about things deeply and critically analyze things. And that's really important with this technology. Cause you're right, there are...
ethical concerns and part of my advocacy and training work is really talking about how to use these technologies ethically and responsibly. So that means building competency around it, means joining trainings, reading up on it, practicing it. Also, another area of responsible and ethical practice is a lot of these tools, especially these free tools as well like ChatGBT or Perplexity is like another one or Gemini.
that these tools are not HIPAA compliant, right? So anytime that we use these as social workers, we have to be really mindful about client confidentiality, identifiable information. So I always say, if you're gonna choose to these tools, not only be competent in using these tools and understanding how to use them, but also never put any identifiable information. And also just being confidential in the information that you're putting in that you're not putting anyone's name.
We identify what we show at your client. And then lastly is, the other piece that I advocate for is that we can't take the human equation out of this experience. We are social workers. We are grounded on building strong relationships with our clients. And so we can't take the human aspect out of using these tools. So I always advocate and say, if you're going to choose to use a tool like ChatGBT, all the information that it provides you, you have to read it. You have to go over it. You have to use your practice.
You know, wisdom, your education from your schooling, you can't just take it at face value because it can make mistakes, it can be biased. So you really can't take the human experience out of it. It really should be used as a tool to support you in your work and not replace the amazing things that you do as a social worker. I'm curious in, you know, the trainings that you've done with social workers around this, what, what specifically are some of their concerns about it? If you, know,
Yes, no. Yes, no, absolutely. And I think a part of it is, you know, there's a tech tech gap. I think some people are not as necessarily comfortable right with technology. And I think that's something to honor acknowledge. This is a new technology. So it might be the uncomfortability of using this tool. Another piece is, you know, is it going to replace my my job? Right? What I do as a social worker, we have a very highly skilled, you know, profession. There's
aspects of our job though, especially the administrative pieces of, you know, potentially writing, you know, client case notes or drafting a letter for a referral. Like there's some small pieces of administratively that could definitely be supported with the use of AI. But there are, you know, those concerns too about will this replace my job? There's therapeutic chat box out there, like can this replace, you know, therapy? So I, I know it's a, you know, a real concern. And I think too, you know, the
the over-reliance of these tools as well, because again, the ease of once you understand how to use this, it's easy, you can generate a lot of information really quickly. And so are people gonna be over-reliant? And I think there's also that concern, especially as like new social workers, not having a lot of practice experience, is there gonna be an over-reliance on these tools? So is the idea that it should be kind of something that supplements your practice, but shouldn't replace your clinical skills.
And yeah, what are the kind of tools that can, you that you talk about in your trainings or that you offer kind of to social workers that would be a supplement, which would make their, maybe give them more time to use, you know, towards client care or towards case management or towards, you know, caring for their clients, essentially. What are those tools that you find would help?
social workers? Yeah, no, I think that's a really great question. And I think this is where there's been a huge explosion and the different kind of tools out there. Yeah. So generative, you know, generative AI tools like chat, GBT, where, you know, again, I think that's a great tool to use as a social worker. But again, it's a public, you know, platform. So you have to be really mindful about, you know, putting in confidential information that you don't want to put any of that information in there. However, there is a tool known as Bastion
Gbt and that takes chat Gbt technology, but it's a HIPAA compliant tool, which is great because it gives you the extra level of protection. It's HIPAA compliant. It's secure. It's not free. So I definitely put that up. It's not free. but it's 20 bucks a month. And I think that's a great alternative that if you are looking to spend a little bit, you know, of money a month to get that extra security with using a tool.
that's again using chat to be technology, the generative AI technology. That might be a great option for you. We also have a social worker who has developed an AI tool called a social work magic AI. name is Ernesto and it also uses chat to me, T technology. And what's super awesome about his platform is that it's super social work user friendly. has templates early built into you.
to do different tasks for case management, clinical work, writing referral letters, just different things. There's a free trial associated with the cost associated with it too. But I think it's just super awesome that one of our own already is out there and has developed a tool for us social workers to use. And kind of moving more in the clinical lens, there are definitely tools out there that use generative AI technology to record.
your therapy sessions that you have with your clients. And then within a matter of seconds, you can get a complete, you know, case note that you can then submit to the insurance company. Of course you want to read over it and make sure it's, it's a up to par what you are, what you need for your client to submit. And those, one of those companies that does this is Barry's AI. That's a company that does this work. Upheel is another one where they, they,
Again, they record your session, you have to have client, of course, consent to use that. So you have to have that conversation with your client, the sign off on it. But it's a great way again, that these tools are HIPAA compliant, data secure. And, you know, some of these tools as well can analyze your therapy session, give you a breakdown and analysis of things that are happening. It is mind blowing what these tools can do.
And there's one more flag I want to put in there is Umore is another tool that you could use. What's that one? also generates for you, Umore. Umore and it develops like CBT, you know, therapeutic worksheets for you and your client. It's just like another tool that uses this generative AI technology. So it's all about what I say, like working smarter, not harder and working ethically and responsibly with these tools. And I, you know, I do hope that, you know, this
opens up the opportunity for people to explore more of these tools. But there's the free ones out there like ChatGBT that really uses the chat bot technology. But then there's all these other ones that again are more fine tuned to record your case notes and things like that. Yeah, as a therapist myself, they're introducing on some of these EHRs the recording option where you can record the session and then they produce the case note for you.
One thing that I found is kind of a hiccup with that is you have to read through the entire note and make sure there's nothing that is, you wouldn't want an insurance company, it's unnecessary for an insurance company to know. And it's almost, if you're doing a trauma case or something like that, you wouldn't want some of that detail in there. And so do you have any tips for how that might become more labor intensive actually for a social worker?
And for me, knowing myself, I'd be like, did I miss anything? I, you know? And so for me right now, it's just easier to write a note. But, also that's giving space and time for me to clinically think through the case, use my clinical skills. Do you have any like suggestions or recommendations for therapists who do want to use that, that kind of AI tool, but it, it might create like another type of work flow. Like, you know, kind of issue. Yeah.
No, and I'm glad you bring this up too, right? It's so important to show that these tools are not perfect and it's not like a simple fix to say, all right, I'm gonna copy and paste what it gives me. I'm gonna turn into the insurance company, right? And that's the reason being is because it could add additional information. It might not be accurately worded. There might be things that you wanna take out. So I always, always recommend you have to read through it. And that's just, again, that's the human aspect of using these tools in partnership, right?
you can't remove the human equation out of it. So this is where I say, you you have to, as a clinician sort of say, like, how do I want to use this? If I want to use this, because it really is a choice to want to use it. Cause I would recommend definitely taking that extra step to read over the note and edit it because you really, you should not be using it if you're not going to take that step to edit the So I definitely get that. Yeah. So like what work do you want to do? Do you want to write it or, you know, without the help or do you want to just read it?
have it do it for you, read it and edit. know your personality. Are you the person who's be like, did I miss something? Or are you the personality that's like, I feel good. I can just skim and I feel confident in that skill set. I think, I don't know, just talking about this, it makes me realize we have to have just realistic expectations for the AI tools, you know, and not just expecting for it to
it's going to replace this part of my job. There's still, we still have to be, you know, have our hands in it and edit and take out. so just understanding that it's, it's not going to completely just take over a task that you have to do, you know, but maybe something. And client confidentiality is paramount always and always considering if they want that.
in the session or not, it's a third person essentially, that's how I view it, in the session, recording that information. But most younger clients are kind of like, cool, like they don't seem, it depends on the personality, depends on what they want. it's also kind of like there are benchmarks and kind of things that hold, there's accountability in the process, it's not just like a free for all, right? When it comes to AI, I think that that's important too with the education piece is like,
You're getting client approval. You're not just like having somebody record the session. I'm curious. Specific tasks that you use for, or maybe it sounds like you use it a lot as do I, I'm just curious, what are some of your favorite things to use it for? Do you use ChatGBT mostly? Yes, I do. I'm definitely a big fan of using ChatGBT. also
use Perplexity a lot. the reason why I like Perplexity as well too is for the research aspect. And even though Chachabi recently now has put this technology into that will actually give you the source and the site that you can click on to where get the where it gets the information from. That's cool. Perplexity has been doing that for a while, which is why I love the tool Perplexity. I also use Claude 3.5. That's another free, no free tool as well to use because
I'm not in private practice. I'm not doing direct work with clients. The work that I do now is a lot around training, workshops, consulting. And so a lot of the times how I'm using ChatGBT, really I use it like my personal assistant to help me write messages, to help me write emails, to help me edit, edit my work, create outlines, help me draft things for a workshop for my training, to help put together some discussion questions for my class. Even some fun personal uses like,
you know, I really wanted to bake something. So we put in, you know, the prompt and then create like a chocolate cake and olive oil chocolate cake. It's kind of, so how did it come out? It actually came out really good. We're going to try it again for Christmas. You know, just different ways that you could.
Also, I love traveling, so it also helps out with travel plans too, to kind of put together an itinerary for you. So this is, again, it really is my personal assistant. It's helped me in so many ways. What about you, Taylor? Yeah. I feel like I use it very similarly. I love the outline. Just personal assistant in general. One task that I heavily used it for most recently is I'm getting my website redone and, know.
the words on your website, kind of where you should say something and how you should say it and all of that, know, just kind of the, it helped me a lot. Just, you know, I have a vision in my head on, and just the philosophy of social work to wealth and the feeling, my feelings around, you know, how I want this to impact people and social workers. And so it really helped me get just,
I don't know, more concise and specific in my messaging for my website. So that was huge. think Faith, you said you used it for your website too, right? Yeah, I did use it for my website, for my private practice. I think though, Taylor, when I've seen you use it, it's been more like this process of elimination. you would write something up and then you'd be like, well, let's see what AI can give me. And then you put it in and then you'd be like, I don't love that. Let me try this.
I don't love that. Let me try that. And so again, not just like, it's this like elimination process to like tease down or kind of like get down to what you really wanted the wording to be. So that's kind of cool too, to kind of see it as like this tool of being able to actually craft what you had in your mind and your vision. And it does go a lot faster. It really saves a ton of time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. the editing piece too, I had to write a personal statement and I, you know, I wrote it up and I felt good about it, but I just put it in there and just said, me some edits, give me some critiques. And I loved, I really loved the edits that it gave me, you know, I have my own personal editor just here for free. They were amazing.
So yeah, I mean, you mentioned your consulting and yes, I love to get into that. know that, you know, social workers, I've seen discourse online of social workers wanting to get into consulting and it's just so ambiguous, you know, because there's no blueprint of you go to school, you get this. I mean, you go to school, get this degree, social work degree, and then what, you know, so.
How did you start? How did you even start the business and yeah, just take us back. Yeah. Yeah. No, we go all back to the pandemic era because I mean, my interests are really wanting to do consulting. At that point in time, I, you know, during the pandemic, I was obtaining my DSW. So was in a doctoral program.
I was a school administrator for an alternative high school. I was also teaching for the first time as an adjunct professor. And I was like, there's a lot happening, very, very stressful time. And I think I was part of the great resignation of people who were like, I want something different. I want more work-life balance. And I think that's what really sparked me and inspired me. I have other social work colleagues who have gone out to do consulting, start their own private practice, sort of group practice. And so I was always really inspired by that.
And in 2021 is when I finally took the plunge, I decided to leave my position full time to then get some contracts. And honestly, the way that I really transitioned, and I'm so grateful for my network of incredible people that I've made connections with in the field. And that's what really helped me transition. Also from getting my LLC, trying to figure out how to get a business account, like all these things, get your website, like these amazing things that I had to sort of.
figure out, but I wasn't alone. I really tapped into my network of some awesome social workers. Also some other people in my life who started a business because without their support, their own consultation and just asking a lot of questions and research. I think that's what really sort of sparked me into this sort of next pathway of my career where I'm in transparency. Like right now I'm doing, we know my consulting, my training part-time, and then I also supplement my income with teaching as well. And I teach as an adjunct professor.
Yeah. That's a theme, right? Taylor, that's a theme that we've noticed about tapping into your network when you're trying to start a business. Like I did that. You've done that, Taylor. Like that's, I feel like a theme that we've heard. Yeah. I think specifically for consulting, think that networking piece and your, just, seems, it seems the way for your consulting business to kind of.
start and take off because I don't know, I'm thinking, you know, if you don't have people that you in your network, so how would you start your consulting business? You know, it's like, okay, I need to start marketing myself online, you, you would need to start networking to find people that are wanting to pay for your services, right? Yep. Yep.
Yeah. And it's honestly, mean, would say majority of my contracts that I've gotten throughout the years has really been through people, my network and my contacts. And I'm truly grateful for, those connections as well. also learning the land of, of marketing and had a market myself on LinkedIn and also market myself on a website, market myself on Instagram, also presenting at conferences and publishing. Like these are other ways that I found an avenue of marketing myself to get.
new training contracts, but it's been it's been a journey to figure this out in the last, you know, couple of years. But I am very, very appreciative to the people in my network who've been there along the way. you gotten any new contracts from some of these things that you've been doing from someone that you didn't even know, you know, after you presented or like, have you seen that be effective? Yes, and like definitely speaking at the NASW.
has opened up doors to getting more training. Yes, yes. So I highly recommend that if this is something that you're of interest to want to do more trainings and workshops, you know, it's, such a great national platform to, you know, put, put that, put yourself out there. and so that's also happened through, I, in the school social work realm as well, I've gotten contracts through, through that way too, of, know, speaking at the national school social work conference, I have a,
I'm also right now at NYU doing a school social work certificate. And because that was published on a website, the UFT teaching union had reached out to me to do a training for their school social work chapter. So you just like never know how this happens. That's awesome. Instagram account had gotten some hits from, you know, some interest from there. Similarly to, I did a whole new branding because initially my brand wasn't the AI social worker. did in 2021.
I was just, know, MAPD consulting and that still was my LLC because then I was really focusing on social work training, you know, supervision, especially in school, school social work supervision, also social emotional learning programming and doing contracts through that and a couple of schools. But really because this whole thing that happened with AI and my journey about a year and a half ago, I was like, this is a huge opportunity to really
build a brand, trainings, but also be in service of the field as well too. So a big part of my brand and my work is I have this brand called the AI Social Worker. In January, I launched a new website, well, launched a new website in August, but I launched a blog in beginning of this year in January where I blog about AI and social work practice. I have an Instagram account where
the AI social worker where I give free resources. Same thing on my LinkedIn, I give lots of free resources. I have a free guidebook. I have a free prompt library with over 30 prompts for social work practice on my ai-social-worker.com website too. I just feel like, That's amazing. How did you decide to go from what it sounds like kind of more traditional consulting work that we would maybe hear about or see within the social work field to like, I'm going to switch to AI. I know you saw it as like,
maybe a need in our profession, but how did you feel like, okay, I'm going for this? Yes, yeah. Because I'm going on a whim right now. There's not a lot out there. There's not a lot out there. And I think that actually turned out to be like a superpower in this, right? And I think there definitely was this insecurity, right? Imposter syndrome, right? This is something very new, but honestly, I was really inspired by
So AI outside of the social work space. So AI in education, like K through 12 education, for instance, has just been exploding with people on LinkedIn, just ed tech companies, just across the country. There's just some phenomenal people in the education space really being advocates and talking about AI, pushing for legislation, pushing for policy, pushing for schools to think about how they're going to be teaching children with AI. And I think kind of being
again, tangentially in the education field, I think really inspired me to say, we need someone like this in social work, right? And there's also all these incredible tech people in the LinkedIn space who are posting about AI for marketing, AI for education, but I didn't really see anything about social work. And I think that really inspired me to take that leap of faith and put it out there. And it's just been, I've been really appreciative by the reception and we'll continue to this.
to do this work. mean, I'm a year in, because I started January of this year, and really wanted to see where it went. And I'm just really excited to what's to come next. That's really cool. You're so cool. You're so cool. I'm just like, this is so crazy to listen to you. I know. I know. I'm just like in awe, honestly. know. And I think one of the things that Taylor and I are trying to also
do with this podcast is inspire young social workers to obviously increase their wealth, take these opportunities, find kind of what it sounds like as you kind of saw a need, but it also was a kind of a niche need and just pursued it and kind of went after it and being bold in that. One of the things that we find holds us back is this whole narrative of social workers aren't in it for the money.
they're in it for the outcome or you didn't get into the industry for the money. Did you ever hear that messaging in your social work career? Have you ever heard that messaging that you're not in it for the money? And how did you, again, navigate that and figure out what to charge in your consulting, how to navigate that business side?
Yeah, and I will say I'm still on the journey with that. Yeah. Because I think that's something internally I've grappled with too right now. We come into this field to do work for the community, you by the community, you know, and I think that's part of like my mission, right? So I think where I've tried to land is a balance in that a balance of, yes, I need to charge for my consulting fees. I have my colleague that I call them like, okay,
I want to ask for this amount. You know, I have my crew of people who will help me like hype up to like say, you can do this. Like, it'd be a confidence boost to say, this is what I should be, you know, should be charging. This is my fee. And like I said, it's definitely taken a growing journey, trying to get there. But I think where I also find my balance too is I do feel like I'm in serve and my service before was being to the clients and the school and the school community. And I really see myself now being in service of the field, right? So that's why I have my,
website with the free prompt library. That's why I have my Instagram account of posting free resources, the blog, because I really do feel, you know, I'm always grounded in that need of being in service, you know, and doing that work. And also at the same time, I need to make a living. need to charge for trainings. need to be able to make some money doing that. And I think one of the biggest game changers, I think for me was, you know, getting my doctor degree. I think that really helped boost my confidence to say, okay, I'm confident to...
be a consultant, I'm confident I could charge this amount of money. And I know there's people out there who you don't need a DSW to do that. And I'm always truly in awe of my colleagues who have tons of experience, who charge as you should. And I think our field also needs to do a better job. And I think a lot of times with not-for-profits, it's hard, but to also, if you invite someone to speak.
give an honorarium, give at least something, you know, to say, you know, this is, I'm paying for your time because I think it's not just putting the onus on the individual themselves, but I think as a field collectively, we should be charging for, not sorry, we should be paying for people's time and work and expertise. You know, I'm, I'm all for putting, know, putting my name out there and speaking for free and engagement. But I think collectively, I think we could do, better at that also. Absolutely.
How did you figure out your first, you know, invoice that you sent? Yeah. Whenever it was in your business, like, how did you figure out how much you were going to charge this person or business or whatever? Tell us the details. want the details? all right, so I'm going to be, you know, shouting out one of my incredible colleagues. name is Michael Ramos and he's an incredible social worker who
again was a consultant, trailblazer, you know, his own right for a number of years. I met him at Smith College for the postgraduate supervisory trading certificate program. And he was one of the first, you know, one of the first person that I had called to say, I wanna take the plunge, I wanna become a consultant. And he's like, I got you, like, whenever you need, I got you, I'm excited for you. We still talk about those conversations to this day.
because we are still in touch, we still support each other in our consulting work, and we still collaborate on projects. So not only was he my first contract, because he had a private practice, or sorry, a group practice across four states. He's like, I will be your first contract, I will help you get, you know, supervision training contract with me. And we're going to talk about the fees. And he was a really great coach and try to sell myself how to do my first invoice, would really hit a Google Sheet.
I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm so appreciative to the people out there in this field who pay it forward. And I certainly have done the same of people on my network as well too, because we have to uplift each other in this work. Because we didn't go to school for it. We didn't get training in this in school either. So I'm very, very grateful to Michael Ramos in my consulting journey, because he was really the person who really showed me the ropes and got me my first contract.
That's amazing. Shout out Michael. Woo. We like you. I love that. I feel like, yeah, I remember in my, in our program, we didn't talk, I didn't hear about consulting once. Nope. Nope. Did you, No. And you your doctorate. Yeah, so my doctorate a bit more because I think that we're also
Not to say majority of the people in my cohort work full time. A lot of them were in private private practice. So definitely had some entrepreneurial new business, you know, you know, folks who were in the clinical sort of space. Okay. And again, I think the doc, the DSW program, I think also prepares you a little bit more to have those kinds of conversations and thinking about that. It wasn't so concrete still. Like it wasn't like here's how I can LLC was more of the conversation amongst our peers. I kind of talk about that because again, the DSW program really
helps you sort of think about what's your focus of your social work, sort of, I like to say the word brand, but it's the area of your expertise, right? So that was really instrumental and sort of as you go through the program and thinking about what is your area of expertise, it's what you're writing your publishing papers on, what you're writing your capstone on, and really thinking about, you know, some people in my cohort were doing trainings, were getting paid to do this work.
And it was exciting to see they were doing that. And was inspiring to me having those kinds of conversations. But there never was like a class on here's how you get your LLC, here's how you market yourself, here's how you become this consultant, person after you finish the program. And I think that's also around niche. Like maybe that should be someone's.
consulting business right there. Right, right. Like other social workers. I mean, that's, that's part of what we're trying to do. know, with social work to wealth. Wink, We're not, I mean, we're not consulting, but we're not, we're not. We're wanting to get this information, which it's amazing that you're here, you know.
be able to talk about AI and just this consulting, just ambiguous, you know, thing that social workers can do. Like we're wanting to share resources through Social Work to Wealth that we never got in school because there's so much that we can do in this profession. you know, and I get it. We only go through, we only have two years of our grad program. There's only so much that we can learn, but still there just weren't any of these conversations.
at all. Maybe one lecture or one… I don't know. Anyways, we're trying to share the wealth here. We appreciate you being a part of it. do. do. We're going to end with our money moment. know some people, if you've been listening to this, you know what the money moment is.
for anyone, if this is your first episode, it's essentially just us sharing what we're going to have Marina share hers, a significant moment insight from the week, you know, whether it be a technique, a tip, resource, reflection, it literally could be anything about money, just, you know, it's so impactful in all of our lives and it's, everywhere. feel like I'm, we have to always think about it. think, I think
Faith and I talked about this. I wonder how many times a day that I have to think about money. You know, it's just one of those things. So anyways, Marina, what is your money moment? So my money moment that I want to chat about real quickly is I love my travel chase card. So I am someone who super passionate about traveling. I to travel. and
I can't tell you enough that I just love purchasing things with my, you know, chase travel card to get all those points. It's saving money on flights, hotels, but another really, really great tip I like to say about for money when we're traveling is Google flights. I don't think everyone's Google flights with, there's search functions that you can look at the whole, you pick a destination, like say I'm flying from New York city.
And you could just literally look at the whole globe to see how expensive it is to go to different places at different times or the next six months. And I've gotten some incredible deals going, you know, flying from New York City to Europe or 180 one way with a flight. Yes. Yes. I'm telling you, I'm a big avid traveler and I'm a big avid user of using Google flights. can also say, for instance, you're searching for a flight, let's say
in April to go to Paris, you could actually save it on Google on the Google flight search function and you'll get periodic emails. The flight goes up, the flight goes down so you could purchase it at the right time. So I'm a big fan of Google flights. We could do a whole other podcast. I know, right? what, what chase card do you have? Cause I have a few and I love the chase, you know, atmosphere or whatever sphere. Yeah.
the chase sapphire account for the travel. is my favorite card. Yeah, I don't have a travel card. I need to get one. I talk about this all the time with my husband. I'm like, need we need to get this. So yeah, yeah. I love the chase one because you can get points for anything. Okay, you know, versus having either I also have an Alaska Airlines card. And
So I don't know, feel like with my, you know, with my Alaska airlines, I can only use the points in Alaska, you know, to buy flights, with the Sapphire, you can go through their portal and use it for a flight. can use it for a hotel, rental car, whatever, you know? But the thing about the points is you have to pay your card off every month so that you're not charged interest. Which is a good money management skill.
Yeah, yeah. Right? We don't want to get into debt. I'm for that. Yeah. Well, Marina, this was amazing. Thank you so much. Please tell everyone where they can find you, what resources you have. Just, you know, just tell them everything. Yeah. So www.well, I think I too many W's there, but the AISocialworker.com is where you can find me.
You can also find me on Instagram at the AI Social Worker as well. My email marina at nabdconsulting.com is also where you could find me too, but also just finding me on LinkedIn. I love LinkedIn. It's a great way to network and connect with me. I always welcome new followers. Just message me. I love to collaborate and connect and build community. So love to hear from your audience. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much. This was amazing. like, is great. This is why
Like having a podcast is awesome because we just get to talk to cool people, you know, we just get to invite. It's love this. I do too. I love this. This is great. Sorry for being late again, guys. All right, y'all, we will. We'll talk to you next time. Bye. Bye, everybody.